tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post115324999293612077..comments2023-12-01T10:53:44.750-08:00Comments on Against All Heresies: Liturgical AbusesM. Alexanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11628512667279950596noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1154315219096957232006-07-30T20:06:00.000-07:002006-07-30T20:06:00.000-07:00Interested in liturgical abuses and sspx ?seehttp...Interested in liturgical abuses and sspx ?<BR/>see<BR/><BR/>http://closedcafeteria.blogspot.com/2006/07/father-z-on-sspx.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153885122200568492006-07-25T20:38:00.000-07:002006-07-25T20:38:00.000-07:00Here are the 2005 US Census stats (they are more r...Here are the 2005 US Census stats (they are more reliable than the ones I sent). These are based on actual reported salaries from people with various degrees.<BR/><BR/>http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/education/004214.html<BR/>New information from the U.S. Census Bureau reinforces the value of a college education: workers 18 and over with a bachelor’s degree earn an average of $51,206 a year, while those with a high school diploma earn $27,915. Workers with an advanced degree make an average of $74,602, and those without a high school diploma average $18,734.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153884209318716672006-07-25T20:23:00.000-07:002006-07-25T20:23:00.000-07:00Was able to find a few more stats.Seems that my ob...Was able to find a few more stats.<BR/>Seems that my observation of friends married in or shortly after highschool being more like to divorce is consistent with US data. Keep in mind that these are national (US) data across everyone (e.g., not just Catholics)<BR/><BR/><BR/>I'll just paste the info from the website<BR/>A: What is the breakdown of likelihood of a marriage ending in divorce<BR/>broken down by age (either age of bride, or average age of couple?)<BR/><BR/><BR/>The Center for Disease Control provides a wealth of useful statistics. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Probability of first marriage disruption by duration of marriage and<BR/>wife’s age at marriage<BR/><BR/>“First marriages by wife’s age at marriage—If the wife was a teenager<BR/>at first marriage, the marriage is much more likely to dissolve than<BR/>if the wife was at least 20 years of age at marriage. The first<BR/>marriages of brides under age 18 years are the most likely to dissolve<BR/>at all marital durations, followed by the marriages of women 18–19<BR/>years of age at marriage. Marriages of women at least age 20 years at<BR/>marriage are much less likely to dissolve (table 3 and figure 1).<BR/>After 10 years of marriage, 48 percent of marriages of women under age<BR/>18 years at marriage have disrupted compared with 40 percent of<BR/>marriages of women who were 18–19 years of age at marriage, 29 percent<BR/>of marriages of women who were 20–24 years of age at marriage, and 24<BR/>percent of marriages of women at least 25 years of age at marriage.”<BR/><BR/>See Table 3 on page 5 and Figure 1 on page 6 for detailed data <BR/><BR/>Download publication here:<BR/>http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad323.pdf<BR/><BR/>Data from divorcepeers.com:<BR/><BR/>Age at marriage for those who divorce in the United States <BR/> <BR/>-------------------------------------------------- <BR/>Age Women Men<BR/>-------------------------------------------------- <BR/>Under 20 years old 27.6% 11.7%<BR/>20 to 24 years old 36.6% 38.8%<BR/>25 to 29 years old 16.4% 22.3%<BR/>30 to 34 years old 8.5% 11.6% <BR/>35 to 39 years old 5.1% 6.5%<BR/><BR/>-------------------------------------------------- <BR/><BR/>http://www.divorcepeers.com/statistics.htm<BR/><BR/>From a Catholic perspective the following is a scary statistic:<BR/>“<B>95 percent of all divorced people eventually remarry</B> . . . 76 per<BR/>cent of second marriages fail within five years . . . .87 per cent of<BR/>third marriages fail and 93 per cent of fourth marriages end in<BR/>divorce within five years.”<BR/>http://www.allaboutfamilies.org/00aaf14.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153883791962856172006-07-25T20:16:00.000-07:002006-07-25T20:16:00.000-07:00Found a quick stat for you from a study at washing...Found a quick stat for you from a study at washington.edu<BR/><BR/>76% of the woman with PhD's in their study were married.<BR/>Not sure what % of woman in the general population are married, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153883451187194952006-07-25T20:10:00.000-07:002006-07-25T20:10:00.000-07:00"As a scientist I'm surprised at your lack of prec..."As a scientist I'm surprised at your lack of precision. You said that a college graduate would make $65K. You didn't make that much even with a PhD. And even at your generous salary it will take you 5 years of working to earn $65K/year.<BR/>There is a huge difference between a college degree and a PhD. Doesn't it take about 3-5 years to earn a PhD after college?"<BR/>Oh, sorry about the confusion. Yes, it takes 3-5 years. I could have obtained my first job after 1 year with a MA degree, but opted to go for the PhD due to greater opportunities at promotion (so after working for 3 years, I received a new position due to my PhD with a starting salary of over $95000 plus bonuses). Typically in my field the first year or so at the job has a lower salary which jumps by a lot in the 2nd or 3rd year.<BR/><BR/>My peers who got undergraduate degrees at the same time I did, went on the job market and all received starting salaries that were greater than $50000 with rapid increases after the first two years with their company and are within 4 years of graduating from college (with bachelor's degrees) make over $80000.<BR/><BR/>" I wonder if there are any statistics on the likelihood of women who earn PhD's being less likely to marry?"<BR/>I'm not sure of that. I can look into it. From personal experience, I doubt if that is true.<BR/>All of my female friends and work-colleagues that have Master's degrees or PhD's are all are married. Most met their husbands either at work or at university (while working on their advanced degrees).<BR/>For comparison, the friends I have from high school who married while in high school or shortly after are all divorced (except for one person). But I don't know if this pattern is generally true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153882831339531962006-07-25T20:00:00.000-07:002006-07-25T20:00:00.000-07:00Dear Suzy,As a scientist I'm surprised at your lac...Dear Suzy,<BR/>As a scientist I'm surprised at your lack of precision. You said that a college graduate would make $65K. You didn't make that much even with a PhD. And even at your generous salary it will take you 5 years of working to earn $65K/year.<BR/><BR/>There is a huge difference between a college degree and a PhD. Doesn't it take about 3-5 years to earn a PhD after college?<BR/><BR/>Your example does not prove the point. I wonder if there are any statistics on the likelihood of women who earn PhD's being less likely to marry?M. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11628512667279950596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153881268442333562006-07-25T19:34:00.000-07:002006-07-25T19:34:00.000-07:00"Let's be honest, after graduating from college yo..."Let's be honest, after graduating from college you don't begin making $65K- at least I didn't. Even w/ a master's or law degree I doubt you would begin at that salary."<BR/>My first job was close to that (I had a PhD). I'm in a science field and my first job after graduating with a PhD was around $55 000 with an annual automatic increase of $2000 plus additional bonuses for performance.<BR/> Graduate students (people who are current going to university to obtain master's or PhD degrees) in my field receive $30 000 per year while they work on their degree (which already is more than a high school graduate), even before they have their degrees. In exchange they work as research assistants or teaching assistants (that's why it's easy, for some, to get an advanced degree without going into to debt).<BR/><BR/>"Let's not make the mistake of believing that a woman's value is enhanced by her education. "<BR/>That is true. I would not believe that. It's not about the dollar value. My reason for mention this was directed at the comment about bring debt to a marriage. My point was that in some cases a degree could be a financial benefit (not a financial burden).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153879539517649862006-07-25T19:05:00.000-07:002006-07-25T19:05:00.000-07:00Dear Suzy,Let's be honest, after graduating from c...Dear Suzy,<BR/><BR/>Let's be honest, after graduating from college you don't begin making $65K- at least I didn't. The best paying job I could get was as a secretary. And I asked mysel many times why I had gone thru 4 years of college to work as a secretary. Even w/ a master's or law degree I doubt you would begin at that salary.<BR/><BR/>Let's not make the mistake of believing that a woman's value is enhanced by her education. Many women struggle through college, establish a well paying career and then do not want to give it up for homemaking and motherhood.M. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11628512667279950596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153879411139582472006-07-25T19:03:00.000-07:002006-07-25T19:03:00.000-07:00"Rome permits people to attend SSPX chapels so why..."Rome permits people to attend SSPX chapels so why would you forbid it? Or even denigrate it?"<BR/><BR/>Rome does permit attendance (under certain conditions).<BR/><BR/>I'm not denigrating. But I do think it is important for people to realize that not all SSPX groups (in areas/countries/etc) hold the beliefs that you think they do. Just as there are crazy bishops like Milingo, so to are there priests/bishops/even whole SSPX groups (the Canadian group is frequently in the news with strange statements and actions) that say things that might seem outlandish or might even be dangerous. It's important for people to keep their eyes and ears open and not to think of them as 100% good guys.<BR/><BR/>While on vacation I attended an SSPX mass (out of curiousity to honest) and the experience was horrible. The priest's homily was focused on how much he hated the tourists that filled the town during summer, how he wanted to run them all over with his car, how he would beat them all with sticks if could get away with it, and much much more. I kid you not. This is what his homily was about! No exageration. Not one word about anything remotely related to the readings. I was shocked.<BR/><BR/> I spoke to one of the regulars after mass and they said that he is usually like that, but they attended anyway because they loved the beauty of the latin mass (!?) Unfortunately, the priest's odd behaviour and rant totally ruined the mood and purpose of the mass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153878565672707192006-07-25T18:49:00.000-07:002006-07-25T18:49:00.000-07:00Dear Anna,It depends very much on where you live w...Dear Anna,<BR/>It depends very much on where you live what your options are. In some states there are no FSSP Masses. For example in Massachusetts where I unfortunately live the FSSP is banned, likewise in Rhode Island. Why? Too much competition for the local seminaries. It is well known that some and I dare say many Indults are intentionally staffed with priests who do not want to say the Latin Mass. They are as miserable as possible, exhorting and complaining about Traditionalists in every sermon, refusing the Sacraments to people arbitrarily. My brother and sister lost a baby at 24 weeks and the priest who said Mass at the Indult refused to baptize the baby for them. Disgraceful.<BR/><BR/>Rome permits people to attend SSPX chapels so why would you forbid it? Or even denigrate it?M. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11628512667279950596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153873941605998192006-07-25T17:32:00.000-07:002006-07-25T17:32:00.000-07:00"Also, again, the statements of a few priests with..."Also, again, the statements of a few priests within the SSPX does NOT constitute the official stance of the SSPX as a whole. I would even go so far as to say that the statements of Bp. Williamson are not the official stance despite his office."<BR/><BR/>The letters were not on his personal webpage, they were on the Official sspx webpage which indicates that they endorse his views. (Can't imagine the Vatican publishing Milingo's stupid statements, can you?) They were listed under the official SSPX document section. Seems clear that his statements are the official stance (or at least endorsed).<BR/><BR/>"A talk with your confessor might be a really good thing for you to do right about now"<BR/>Not that old mantra again! Hold your horses. That tact didn't work with Mary and it's not going to work with me. (besides didn't Mary's recent post point out that accusing people in this matter is a desparate attempt by people who have lost the argument). Don't go down that road, heather. I did nothing wrong. <BR/>Let's review the facts. My original post gave the reference for the original article (did you even read the original article, by the way), but you wanted additional sources. Which I provided. The vast majority came from SSPX sites themselves (so the excuse that the society doesn't really believe those statements does seem justified, does it) and the original sources for the others can be found by linking from the links I gave. Also, the information is public information available for all who looks for it. <BR/><BR/>"But what irritates me to no end are people like you who refuse to deal with the truths of the matter and attempt to slander people just because you yourself hate them. "<BR/>Again, I am dealing with the truths. You wanted sources. I gave you sources. Done deal. You are slandering me by claiming that I hate them. I don't. In fact I don't care about them one way or the other.<BR/><BR/>"People like you HINDER this from happening rather than help them to come back. "<BR/>In what way? I don't make the decisions in the church. I'm not part of the Vatican.<BR/><BR/>What bugs me (since you brought it up) are people who seem to think that SSPx is the only alternative. There are other options (such as the FSSP).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153872713222106142006-07-25T17:11:00.000-07:002006-07-25T17:11:00.000-07:00"This is just silly....do you have any statistics ..."This is just silly....do you have any statistics to back these claims up? I'm not one who is against higher education for women, UNLESS all that is produces is a rather large loan payment later one which makes things difficult for both her and her spouse should she get married. "<BR/><BR/><BR/>There are several published studies in academic journals. Search the science databases (such as PsycLit and sociology dbases) for keywords "divorce" and "education". <BR/><BR/>University doesn't necessarily mean debt. There are lots of scholarships available, plus many students take on part time jobs. I put myself through university and graduate school this way, and had no debt upon graduation. <BR/><BR/>Plus, women who have university degrees tend to get higher salaries, so they can save up much more money before marriage (or while they are looking for a husband). This can make a huge difference.<BR/>For example, U of North Texas published some stats that people without high school earn $26000, with high school only, $36000, but with a college degree $65000. That's huge! That means a woman with a college degree can earn $30 000 more per year than one with just high school. If she gets married just 3 years after graduation that's an extra $90 000 to bring to the household!! <BR/><BR/>Not everyone gets married (not necessarily out of choice, they might not just meet someone suitable), so not going to university due to plans of being a stay-at-home mom might not be the best choice (it only "pays off" if one becomes married).<BR/>Also, even in Catholic households divorce is fairly prevalent. A degree is a good thing to fall back on if the marriage falls apart. Hopefully this won't happen, but we can't always control what our spouse does (many a husband has abandoned his wife).<BR/><BR/>About homeschooling. Although it IS possible to educate children (especially younger children) at home without a college degree, it is easier with one. There are many things that are taught in college (especially topcis related to liberal arts such as grammar, logic, higher mathematics, syntopical reading....) that just are not taught at the high school level. (Obviously not all universities are created equal, so be careful when picking a place to study). Knowledge and skills in this area are a huge asset to homeschoolers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153786568351008262006-07-24T17:16:00.000-07:002006-07-24T17:16:00.000-07:00I for one do NOT agree with the majority of Willia...I for one do NOT agree with the majority of Williamson's statements. Especially:<BR/><BR/>"At any true university, the worthwhile students do not want to be distracted by girls. Those are exactly the potential husbands that the really intelligent girls will go after. <B> That is why even really intelligent girls should not be at university.</B>"<BR/><BR/>"to read at home on their own (for instance Jane Austen, a classic example of how much domestic woman can do)"<BR/>He obviously forgot that Austen and her sisters went to school and (as was current for the time) home-schooled and had tutors (plus their father educuated them). It is ironic that Williamson cites Austen as an example -- her main theme was about the problems of being a female without any hope of being able to earn money on ones own (e.g., to work) or to go away to university!<BR/><BR/>" if a girl devotes several years of her youth and much money of her parents to acquiring a university education, especially a decent one, how easily will she submit to her husband, especially if he has not had that education? "<BR/>Many problem marriages occur when the spouses are not alike in education. This is especially true when the husband is highly educated and the wife is not. A mother plays a large role in educating the children and this is difficult to do without a proper education.<BR/><BR/>"women are- not to be superior, but subject, to their men "<BR/>Disagree. That discussion has been done to death elsewhere (including the flesh of my flesh post here).<BR/><BR/>I could go on but won't hog any more space.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153786117372062882006-07-24T17:08:00.000-07:002006-07-24T17:08:00.000-07:00m. alexander said: " On the higher education of wo...m. alexander said: " On the higher education of women, while I have a college degree and my daughters will probably go to college "<BR/><BR/>You are fortunate that your parents did not strictly adhere to the views put forth on sspx.ca, then. Otherwise, you would not have gone to university.If you buy into Williamson's argument then your daughter should not attend university.<BR/><BR/>Bishop Williamson wrote: "That girls should not be in universities flows from the nature of universities and from the nature of girls: true universities are for ideas, ideas are not for true girls, so true universities are not for true girls."<BR/>My fear is that many people will take this kind of statement at face value and many fathers will use the Bishop's statement as justification for preventing their daughter from getting a good education.<BR/><BR/>With so many parents deciding to home-school, a propery education for both sexes is vital.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Just because you disagree with some of these statements does not mean that the individuals in question do not have the right to state them."<BR/>Unless you say them on someone else's blog, right. ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153779477241586852006-07-24T15:17:00.000-07:002006-07-24T15:17:00.000-07:00Dear Anna,I'm familiar with some of the links that...Dear Anna,<BR/>I'm familiar with some of the links that you publish and I totally agree that NFP has become ridiculously overused and is not the equivalent of "catholic" birth control. I'm all for avoiding it. On the higher education of women, while I have a college degree and my daughters will probably go to college I think that some excellent points are made about the dangers. Just because you disagree with some of these statements does not mean that the individuals in question do not have the right to state them. I welcome any substantive advice to Catholics on moral issues. It is sadly lacking in most Churches.M. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11628512667279950596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153779271207775622006-07-24T15:14:00.000-07:002006-07-24T15:14:00.000-07:00Dear Charles,I allowed this comment through but I ...Dear Charles,<BR/>I allowed this comment through but I want to be very clear that the purpose of this blog is to support and defend Tradition not bash those who in their own way are dedicated to restoring it. We can argue about tactics all day long (sort of like the prolife movement) but at the end of the day every baby saved is a victory and every Latin Mass is a sucess for the Church and the souls entrusted to it. <BR/><BR/>I have no problem with people disagreeing if they can do so respectfully and substantively, otherwise I will use the "smite" button.<BR/><BR/>What do you think my position is on the FSSP? I welcome their contribution to the Church. There have been comments left on this blog that state that Una Voce is "satanic". I'm just not going to allow that type of drivel. It's not productive.M. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11628512667279950596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153776216647555742006-07-24T14:23:00.000-07:002006-07-24T14:23:00.000-07:00"M. Alexander said...Dear Charles,I removed your p..."M. Alexander said...<BR/>Dear Charles,<BR/>I removed your posts because you want to denigrate the SSPX. That position is certainly your own affair but that is not the purpose of this blog. I support the restoration of Tradition and though I do not agree with everything the SSPX does and says I recognize their contribution to the renewal of the Church."<BR/><BR/>I know it is not the purpose of the blog (you clearly support SSPX). However, does this mean that all comments must also support them, or is there room for open discussion? No group is perfect.<BR/><BR/>There are other options for Traditional Catholics.<BR/>What is your position on other Traditional Catholics that are currently in communion with the Vatican?<BR/>Such as FSSP (http://www.fssp.com/)?<BR/><BR/>I happen to be a Traditional Catholic, but I do not (as you know from my other comments) support the SSPX for a variety of reasons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153775975682568742006-07-24T14:19:00.000-07:002006-07-24T14:19:00.000-07:00HSarsfield "If you are going to take them to task,...HSarsfield "If you are going to take them to task, please at least be fair about it, not to mention accurate."<BR/><BR/>I have posted a comment with the sources.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153774444051075752006-07-24T13:54:00.000-07:002006-07-24T13:54:00.000-07:00Hsarsfield,I provided a response with some of the ...Hsarsfield,<BR/>I provided a response with some of the sources. Hopefully the blog moderator will allow them to be posted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153774349764570882006-07-24T13:52:00.000-07:002006-07-24T13:52:00.000-07:00HSarsfield said "Please show me where the SSPX has...HSarsfield said "Please show me where the SSPX has OFFICIALLY stated these things."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Certainly. Many of these statements were made verbally, rather than in print, but there are specific sources you can consult.<BR/><BR/><B>Education of Women</B><BR/>Here is a letter posted on SSPX.ca about why woman should NOT attend university. (Despite the fact that the early Catholic church supported the education of woman)<BR/>http://www.sspx.ca/Documents/Bishop-Williamson/September1-2001.htm<BR/><BR/><B>NFP</B><BR/>Arguments against the use of Natural Family Planning [Hope none of you "tradCatholics" are using NFP!]<BR/>http://www.sspx.org/against_the_sound_bites/marital_love_and_fidelity.htm<BR/><BR/><B>Education of Women</B><BR/>Arguments about co-education<BR/>http://www.sspx.ca/Documents/Bishop-Williamson/October1-1998.htm<BR/><BR/><B>Dress</B><BR/>Why wearing trousers is a sin (for woman)<BR/>http://www.sspx.ca/Documents/Bishop-Williamson/September1-1991.htm<BR/><BR/><B>Segregation from other Catholics</B><BR/>The need to avoid other Catholic groups<BR/>http://www.sspx.ca/Documents/Bishop-Williamson/October1-1994.htm<BR/><BR/><B>Annulments</B><BR/>http://www.sspx-schism.com/Fedeli.htm<BR/>and (for larger discussion http://www.sspx-schism.com/main.htm)<BR/>[These are the first links to come up but you can verify the info yourself by working through the original sources]<BR/><BR/><B>Scandal within SSPX (one example)</B><BR/>SSPX priest jailed for manslaughter (This is the first site that comes up, but you can find the original news story yourself)<BR/>http://www.sspx-schism.com/Cottard.htm<BR/><BR/>For a longer list, see the Homiletic & Pastoral Review 1999 and <BR/>An Overview -- What is the Society of St. Pius the Tenth (SSPX)? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/941270/posts (This includes clippings from various publications and also clips from a letter written by a Fr. Terence Finnegan, one of the many priests who have left the Society, to Fr. Franz Schmidberger, then Superior General of the SSPX, he made comments which show the un-Catholic and outlandish dispositions of Bishop Williamson, t These comments centered on the 1991 Tridentine Rite Conference (TRC) sponsored by a Fr. LeBlanc, of Arizona, and a Fr. Wickens of New Jersey.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153771837277580542006-07-24T13:10:00.000-07:002006-07-24T13:10:00.000-07:00Dear Charles,I removed your posts because you want...Dear Charles,<BR/>I removed your posts because you want to denigrate the SSPX. That position is certainly your own affair but that is not the purpose of this blog. I support the restoration of Tradition and though I do not agree with everything the SSPX does and says I recognize their contribution to the renewal of the Church. If you would like to warn people about the SSPX I recommend that you get your own blog to do so.<BR/>Best wishes,<BR/>Mary AlexanderM. Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11628512667279950596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153769187504546282006-07-24T12:26:00.000-07:002006-07-24T12:26:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153769074493811812006-07-24T12:24:00.000-07:002006-07-24T12:24:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153764477235264662006-07-24T11:07:00.000-07:002006-07-24T11:07:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20534374.post-1153410359965410122006-07-20T08:45:00.000-07:002006-07-20T08:45:00.000-07:00"Honestly, what kind of stupid statement was that!..."Honestly, what kind of stupid statement was that!?!? Mortal sin to drive"<BR/><BR/>That's MY point exactly...it IS a stupid statement. Yet it is a statement made by some members of SSPX. My earlier comment has the reference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com